Filed with 60.11.1 Islam · Related: Aisha's Age at Marriage · Sexual Violence in Muslim Countries
TLDR: the age of “consent” in Islam is 9 at the most, 0 at the least, Sneako L
Destiny asked Sneako why he thinks pedophilia is wrong, he answered by saying “because god said so”. I wouldn’t blame destiny for not challenging that claim, he instead challenged sneako’s belief in objective morality by suggesting Sneako wouldn’t fuck kids if god told him to do so. But I felt that the spineless grifter got off a little to easy with that statement, because god did not in fact “say so” according to Islam.
Very often I see people accuse Mohammad of being a pedophile, or challenge Muslims by asking them for the age of consent, what they don’t however realise is that the truly fucked up thing about pedophilia in Islam isn’t the lack of the age of consent, it’s the debate surrounding it, there is an answer to that question but it’s long, complicated and if a Muslim actually says it then he would probably get beaten to death on the spot by any decent person, it’s one of the most radioactive parts of Islamic law that most people don’t know about, and those who do don’t spread it because of the possibility that if someone hears what the esteemed scholars of the golden age had to say about fucking kids, they would leave the religion out of disgust. Just explaining this shit makes me sound like a pedophile.
Let me preface this by saying I’m not an Islamic theologian, I went to religious school, I memorised the whole Quran 6 years ago and had a 40 minute lecture on the meaning and interpretations for every single page, so about 400 hours of religious studies, not including the state mandated Islamic curriculum which I finished with a grade of 100/100, none of that means I’m a scholar or even someone with deep knowledge about Islamic theology but you can check any of my claims if you don’t believe me, I’m not gonna precisely source Hadiths because that would take days and I have a life contrary to what the length of this post might lead you to believe. Nothing I say here will be exaggerated or sarcastic, these are all real quotes and real titles. There are hundreds if not thousands of pages written on this topic, so I won’t be able to mention all the fine details, like exactly how fat a girl who’s younger than 9 has to be for it to be ok to have sex with her, if you want more on that check out the landmark book “الدرة الثمينة في نكاح السمينة” “the precious gem: marrying the fat woman” written by the great imam Al-Suyuti, a very prominent Islamic scholar during the late Middle Ages. Now If you don’t want an explanation of Sharia law and where it comes from, skip 3 paragraphs ahead for the pedophilia parts, and 4 for the Aisha stories.
We have to be precise here, Sneako is a Sunni Muslim (until he meets his first Shia who will give him a lot to think about), he might not know what that means but that’s what he is. It means that he follows the Quran, the teachings and example of Muhammad aka Sunnah, and the opinion of the majority of the scholars on what those teachings and scriptures entail. All Islamic teachings and beliefs are split into two parts, Aqidah and Sharia. Aqidah (roughly means ideology or principles) is the more philosophical part of the religion, like the nature of god, believing in angels, the afterlife and the existence of heaven and hell, and on those things the vast vast majority of Sunni Muslims agree by definition, because anyone who disagrees with the opinion of the majority on essential matters of Aqidah is not considered a Muslim by Sunnis.
Sharia (roughly means law) on the other hand is the Islamic code of law and the commandments that god has ordered all Muslims to Obey. These laws touch on every subject you can imagine, from how to pray and read the Quran, how to eat sleep and shit, how to treat your wife, how to fuck your wife, how to beat your wife, how to treat your slaves, how to fuck your slaves, how to beat your slaves, you get the idea, they also include punishments for breaking these laws like lashings, stoning and crucifixion. A very very important thing to understand is that these laws aren’t suggestions, they are the ultimate code of ethics given to humanity by god, and they were not corrupted by human modification in any way, this is the equivalent of god manifesting in front of you and telling you to do something, they supersede any man made laws and any Muslim who: 1) denies their involuntary nature 2) denies their perfection 3) claims that there are better laws 4) denies the opinion of the majority when it comes to what these laws entail without supporting his objection with clear evidence from the scripture, is considered an apostate and should be killed unless he repents his heretical beliefs. Sharia is sourced from 3 sources: the primary sources are the Quran, whose statements are not up for questioning, then comes the Sunnah, which are teachings of Muhammad that were divinely inspired making them no less authoritative than the Quran. The Sunnah includes the authentic Hadiths which are a collection of Muhammad’s quotes and situations he encountered, anything that Muhammad did or approved of or allowed Muslims to do during his lifetime without objection is also Sunnah. The third source is Ijtihad, which basically means theological research by qualified scholars using the two previous sources as a reference and a base for their conclusions, and if the majority of scholars agree with their results they are considered to be part of the code of law, for example no verse or Hadith explicitly states that sperm donations to strangers are forbidden but through the opinion of the majority it is forbidden based on reasoning from the Quran and Sunnah.
There are 4 highly regarded 8th-9th century scholars who spent their lives studying and documenting all aspects of Sharia and have written encyclopaedias about its fine details, and their works were continued by their devout students who followed their methodology establishing the 4 main schools of Sunni Islamic law. Those 4 scholars are known as ”the four imams”, and their names are Abu Hanifa, Malek, Al-Shafi’i, and Ahmad ibn Hanbal. Each of their schools on Sharia are considered valid despite their differences, because the matters they disagreed upon are known to be tricky subjects with multiple interpretations but they agreed more than they disagreed, and for one to know what Sharia says on a subjects, you either choose a scholar who you think is best and stick to his work, or you do the hard work of trying to find which one of them is closest to the Quran and Sunnah which few outside of scholars do. Also important to know are the books of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim (sahih here means authentic), which are the main sources of authentic Hadith, described by the majority as “the most truthful books that exist under the sky after the Quran”, those two books are basically scripture and contain 60~80% of Islamic law. There are 4 other books of Hadith held in very high regard written by: Al-Termithi, ibn dawood, Al-Nisai’i and ibn Maja, which contain authentic and some non authentic Hadiths but are still regarded as second to Bukhari and Muslim when it comes to authority on the Hadiths
Now with all that irrelevant shit out of the way, let’s see what the Sharia says about marrying and fucking kids (important distinction). First we go to the Quran, and we find no direct mentions of a minimum age for sex or marriage contracts, we do however find in chapter 65 verse 4 a verse detailing how long a woman has to wait after a divorce before she can remarry. In that verse it says that divorced girls who didn’t have their first period must wait for 3 months before they can remarry, this of course means that you can marry a girl before she reaches puberty, but that’s not all, you see the majority (in this case more like the entirety) agrees that any woman who didn’t have sex with her husband before the divorce needs no waiting period at all and can remarry immediately, regardless of her age, which means that the only way a prepubescent girl has to wait 3 months after a divorce is if the marriage was consummated. And with that we have evidence from the Quran that marrying and fucking prepubescent girls is allowed. But just how prepubescent?
What about the Sunnah? As I said the Sunnah is anything that we know the prophet said, did, approved of, or did not object to. Now for the moment you’ve been waiting for, Muhammad married Aisha the daughter of his closest friend and the first Caliph Abu Baker, when she was 6 years old. She remained in her father’s house until she was 9, during that time she recalls how her mother tried to fatten her up so she would be more fit for sex when the time comes, but she wasn’t getting any fatter, until her mother fed her dates and cucumbers, then she got “fat in the most beautiful way”, the way the Arabic word for fat is used here doesn’t mean overweight, but more like curvy. Then the day came for her first night, Aisha says in the book of Bukhari: “I was playing with my friends on a swing, then my mother shouted at me so I came to her not knowing what she wanted , she wiped my face and head with water and sat me with a group of women who came to the house, and they prepared me, and so I did not fear the prophet for more than a morning, and I was a girl of 9 years at the time”. Later on while they were married she says as written in Bukhari and Moslem: “I used to play with dolls in the house of the prophet, and that brought joy to him, and I had friends who came to play with me, but when the prophet would come home the girls would get scared and leave, but the prophet would bring them back to play”. This same Aisha says later in her life in Al-Termithi: “a slave girl who reaches the age of 9 becomes a woman” meaning she is ready to get fucked by her master, clearly drawing from her own experience with Muhammad here as she was ready for him at age 9. And just as a side note, according to the majority, in cases where the girl is prepubescent she doesn’t need to be consulted or asked for consent when the marriage contract is written, only her father needs to approve, her approval is only required if she has become a woman, which explains how a 6 year old who plays with dolls was married to 50 something year old man. And with this we have examples from the Sunnah where the prophet married a 6 year old, and fucked her at 9, while she was still swinging on swings and playing with dolls.
Finally we come to the opinions of the scholars. There is a disagreement on why the prophet waited until Aisha was 9 to fuck her, and we see that clearly in the Abu Hanifa school, as they split 3 ways: some said he did so because he waited until she hit puberty which means the ruling would be “marriage at any age, sex at puberty”, others from the school said he waited till 9 because that is the age at which sex is allowed regardless of any other factors, as evidenced by Aisha saying a slave girl becomes a woman at 9, which would make the ruling “marriage at any age, sex at 9”, a third faction said that he waited for her to be able to handle sex, so until she got fat or curvy enough to be able to withstand sex, which makes the ruling “marriage at any age, sex when she can physically handle it”. The schools of Al-Shafi’i and Malek don’t give weight to the 9 year age limit, instead they only consider weather the girl can withstand sex or not, regardless of her age or if she reached puberty, they also forbid the girl to live in her husband’s house until she can withstand sex, because he might not be able to control himself until that time, so it’s best to keep them separated, they also don’t allow a father to marry his young daughter off to a man without a clear benefit, because they see it would be better but not obligatory to wait until puberty, but if marriage does occur due to a clear benifit such as finding a really good husband who might not be available for long, then marriage is allowed and the rules for sex are as mentioned, “weather or not she can withstand it”. Finally we look at the school of Ahmad ibn Hanbal, who allows for marriage without conditions and allows for sex if 1) she can withstand it (fat curvy you get it) or 2) if she’s older than 9, meaning that once she’s older than 9 her husband can fuck her regardless if she can withstand the act or not. Shias and some lesser Sunnis have also commented on foreplay, and they allowed touching, hugging, licking and rubbing one’s penis against the thighs of his “wife”, for what age? No restrictions at all, there’s a Fatwa from Ayatollah Khomeini on the internet who was the previous leader of Iran where he allowed the husband to rub his penis between the thighs of his infant wife (not sure if it’s true)
Don’t get fooled into thinking that the extent of pedophilia in Islam and Islamic societies is just a few off putting stories about the prophet, pedophilia is systemic in Islam. Most women of the older generation who are still alive got married at around 12-15, many younger than that, but that’s last century type shit, right? Wrong, in Egypt, Lebanon, and especially the cesspool of degeneracy that is the Arabian peninsula girls in rural areas are wed early, sometimes as soon as they have their first period, this is an anecdote but I had a Saudi friend tell me that he attended a tribal wedding where the bride was 8 years old. Imams in mosques and on radio stations are often heard preaching about the benefits of wedding your children early and how it is recommended by the religion, this is an apparatus of pedophilia that is destroying many lives right now.